Vespa px timing marks ⚠️ Last edited by italjohn on UTC; edited 1 time. I dont see any timing marks on the case to line up the stator on so I'm not sure if I'm in the right position. Running a BGM pimped 24/24e with 52/140 idle, 160/BE3/132 main circuit, drilled filter and fast flow tap. Joined: UTC Posts: 110 Location: Norway. On the cranckcase you have a mark. 4 done 13000 miles somebody said at 4 years it needs a timing belt change is this correct and i will be lucky if i have done 15000 miles by its 4th aniversary any advice please. 4. With only static timing (no kytronic device) the over run needs to be kept down, ideally +500rpm is enough. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, I'm assuming it's a timing mark. : BZZKIT1) Exhaust opens at 106atdc closes at 246 atdc. Hailing from Düsseldorf in Germany, CMD have produced this neat little tool for accurately adjusting and setting the ignition-timing on a Vespa smallframe or large frame engine. degree wheel for timing marks and strobe light to check where the timing lands after you chuck the ignition on. and make a permanent mark on the flywheel so you can go to TDC anytime in the future How to find top dead center, set points and timing on a vintage Vespa. UK . Subjek. Flywheel and starting Removing the starter motor − Modern Vespa. One or two fun scoots I want to commence this thread because there seems to more and more PX E3 owners popping up on MV from Europe and Australia where the PX150 E3 is still being sold. 1 post Timing Marks Timing Marks. PX200E with 221 Malossi, max power at 8300rpm, VHSH30CS, 175 main jet PX200E Tourer, tuned original barrel, SIP road II, SI26/26 135 main 2001 Vespa PX 200 EFL (935 CPC) 1963 Lambretta Li 150 Jimmy Quadrophenia Vespa GS150, Messerschmitt GS150. Now you have an accurate mark with which to strobe your ignition. #Vespa #Engine #TUNING #IgnitionWhy do some Vespa engines run better than others, even though the same components are installed? What do you have to watch ou Piaggio Vespa P200E Pdf User Manuals. Enter your target (desired) stroke and rod length. Do they set these properly at the factory? Then I set it to Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Vespa GL Touring 180, Vespa GL 225, Vespa PX 200 Sahara Edition. Has anyone measured the induction port timing with a degree wheel for a 150 or know what it is 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge I've got a px 125 which I've just fitted a dr 177 barrel, Based on the marks on the flywheel cover the timing is set to about 60' btdc (using a strobe light)which makes no sense. Whereas using number 8 brought it back to 14, and it suffered accordingly. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, PX Pickup Coil Replacement and Alignment. Saving money at the 2005 PX150 In a Part-time Relationship with a 2-Stroke Vespa Since 2007. Must be set with a strobed test as the marks are a guide at best and better accuracy is needed. I did mark it up when I stripped it down and put it back to the same mark on assembly but it's worth a try thanks again vespa. Cleaning the Vehicle. Share. Your Name. Its your timing mark. Hi all, It's been awhile, but I'm back to the forums with a fairly cut and dry question about how to get my 2 port '67 Sprint back in tune. Timing and compression are more important than jetting. 86' Vespa PX 200, 59' Lambretta LD 150. This is a roundabout question about the SIP Vape ignition Variable timing type. Just because the Vespa now uses an electronic advance circuit, Ensure Timing is set to IT mark for both 125 and 150 models 4. uk Announcements. I used the search but any feedback has been a while back so just wanted to ask a few questions: Ive been building up an engine and its almost ready to fire up but I am a bit confused as to the timing Ive used a pk50 engine and have fitted a DR 130 kit together It's not a disimilar set-up to mine so I'd be thinking 18BTDC for timing and starting with a 132 jet (certainly I just put a Malossi 166 less than one hour ago on my PX 150. so 140 timing when I do this with the degree disc it seems my new mark nearly doubles the old exhaust port height??? Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Posts: 253 As you have a squish on the tighter end and still in the running in phase, it would be best to have the ignition timing at 16 degrees for now. CAV VARIABLE TIMING for Piaggio Vespa Malossi Polini Pinasco PX PK Ape Cosa LML - EUR 49,00. Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS I am working on a Vespa PX 125 - 1986. 2005 PX150 In a Part-time Relationship with a 2 one old trick is to use a timing light and look for the flywheel or timing marks jumping around at The fact that my Stella has a superfluous A mark is causing me to question the IT mark too. Vespa GS150, Messerschmitt GS150. 1966 VBC1T 150 Super. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, Vespa PX 125 150 Euro 3 This service station manual has been drawn up by Piaggio & C. OP. Enter your desired port timing figures (let's say 174/120) and press calculate (Berechnen). As for the filter, it is also a good idea to drill out two holes. alan34 Face. Pertanyaan Anda. VESPA MOTORSPORT3955 Pacific Hwy. The Whale. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, Vespa P 125 X, 1978 - The "PX" marked a new step forward in styling (the bodywork was completely redesigned) and 60/100 ignition: contact breaker & coil ignition timing: 21 deg. Good feedback - thanks for this! Re. Rotate the flywheel back (anti clockwise) to your desired timing, for example @ 18' BTDC Mark the flywheel and cases again (@ 18') - somewhere you can clearly see it when 'strobing' (try Tippex, On touring engines, with an early and high torque, this ignition curve is rather counterproductive. Try one more time to post this. It also has Px 2011+ ignition, as I used a PX taper hybrid crank (60mm), so in theory the CDI restricts it to (I think) 7250 RPM. Joined: UTC Posts: 23 Location: Sydney, Australia. Run in new cylinders! 2001 Vespa PX 200 EFL (935 CPC) 1963 Lambretta Li 150 Jimmy Quadrophenia replica (251 KRU) 1963 Lambretta Li150 now 198cc /checking timing should cure it. Joined: UTC Posts: 21 Location: Gloucestershire . Could it be a top dead center mark or a before top dead center Mark? [/img] ⬆️ About it is a major deal as my math skills have always sucked, and I have had a strong hesitancy with Vespa electrics. This might help with the port timing as its higher. Technical that will be because your using a px 200 carb when you only need a px 125 carb 20/20 or 24 mill and then the 24 mill isnt needed unless crank clutch and stuff Paint these three marks white with tippex. The intake angles should be within Thanks Jack. ducati oem ignition (vespa px set-up) rpm 180 253 511 643 706 781 992 1523 2628 6500 10000 deg°-7,5 -6,5 -5,5 -4,5 -3,5 -2,5 -1,5 -1 -0,5 0 0 sip performance ignition road (standard set-up) rpm 239 253 281 320 392 492 529 613 666 749 856 1008 1170 Vespa. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, Actually both. is this now set at (18") for a malossi 210 kit?. The timing disk I have simply I have removed the secondary air filter in my Cosa 200 (the one under the seat) and jetted it more like a PX, I changed the 'middle tube' and have a 1 Find TDC with positive stops - turn flywheel - stop and mark - turn other way - stop and mark do both marks on flywheel and casings - you end up with two lines on flywheel It's a rotary valve type inlet and has the asymmetrical timing benefits, but due to the crank webs and narrow inlet on casing doesn't have the full flow benefit obviously. Setting up the ignition timing was pretty straightforward using SIP's instructions/video instructions. So the last discussion Id like to open is what timing have you set your Pinsaco at? Use the big PX air filter and drill out the heart. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4 2005 PX150 In a Part-time Relationship with a 2-Stroke Vespa Since 2007. Nonetheless, I am getting some symptoms Finding TDC and your desired timing mark. 1980 Vespa P200E, 1981 Serveta Jet 200, 1982 BMW R100, 2003 BMW F650GS. 1970 Vespa Rally 180. Clean your flywheel extractor threads and fit the Buzzwangle using the correct thread for your ignition (see table). Nonetheless, I am getting some symptoms Once you have your timing marks placed, you need to strobe it to see where they line up. The cover has two marks on it. View online or download Piaggio Vespa P200E User Manual, Manual. Hooked. Sprint Veloce stator question. It also hesitates/bogs upon exceloration. pxguru Ace Face. Vespa PX 125. Example here: 86° Note your Piaggio Vespa 150 PX in vendita: scopri subito migliaia di annunci di privati e di concessionarie e trova oggi la tua moto usata su Subito. I changed out the ignition, and stoator, and next may be the fly wheel, or send to a mechanic. When you align the stator „IT“ mark with the case mark you set the timing to 18°. Mo. Timing was set half way between "IT" and "A". 6 mm voltage: 12 volt wheels: 10" wheel hubs: cast w/cooling fins tires: 3. Exhaust opens at 106atdc closes at 246 atdc. the only solution I can see is to elongate slots in stator plate but this can not be right. Sticky shows you how to time a SIP Vape ignition using the Buzzwangle timing tool. I checked the position on the stator itself and i seem to be in the area for 19' Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, How should I interpret the two timing marks on this P series stator? Molto Verboso. GLscoot. I just set it at the IT mark which ought to be 18 degrees. Timing disco graduato tempi messen fasatura heutigenIgnition vespa px-pe 125/150/200 electric starting Modern vespa : timing trouble. needed tools: 1: measuring tape or paper2: sliding caliper3: marker and knife4: piston stopp T-mark on ignition base plate aligns with laser mark on rotor. Menu. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, Make another mark on the casing, so that the new mark aligns with the mark you previously scribed on the flywheel. So, I recently upgraded my carb from the stock 20/17 up to the 20/20 and I have the stock 150 cylinder, but I Vespa PX 200 E Millenium. 5degrees, something isn Standard ignition timing for the PX engine is around 19 degrees. Or the 16 degree mark is at 26 You never know. Decided to then go back to standard Vespa norms with 55/160 160 BE3 and try a 108, 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe. Forum-> Not-So-Modern. Joined: UTC Posts: 108 Location: Brazil . Joined: UTC Posts: 5 Location: England . Post Reply. Toyed with a bigger carb, but decided to stick with the 24 for another year. General. It often leads to engine judder in part-load operation due to an ignition timing that is too early for the low engine speed. If you have to go any further than that you will need to drill the stator plate holes a little to be able to move the stator further. 1,840. I tweaked stator marks between "A" and "IT", and now "running engine marks" seems to be at "IT". I'm happy with this as I'm not looking to go nuts on a 150 Super. Connect the timing light and start the engine in a gloomy garage and see where the On the bottom of this plate you have two marks: „A“ and „IT“. Use a timing light for a two stroke motor. org. Vespa PX 200 Polini Original Box Exhaust. PX200E with 221 Malossi, max power at 8300rpm, VHSH30CS, 175 main jet 05 PX, 80P200, 63Li150, to many others. I'm pretty sure it's factory setting. The exact ignition timing can be checked with an adjustment taken here. TUTORIAL - Measuring the inlet timing Vespa P PE PX Inlet timing Vespa P PE PX In today's video and blog it is about measuring the intake angle, also called intake timing. Here is the explaination on the timing mark. 4 TDI 1966 Li 150 lambretta vespa px 200 vespa gts 250 Year: 2011 Modern Vespa. 2003 PX200. Member. Dial in your carb Vespa PX200 2003, Vespa 300 Super 2013. Ossessionato. josef. Question is while refitting it following the Haynes manual the timing mark should be set to IT (this is a 125PX) but when I took the stator off it was set to the A mark. Important We also strongly recommend the following for each tuning step: Check carburettor tuning and at least increase the main jet. Has any used the polini 177 kit which uses the 60mm Stroke Crankshaft ? Or the pinasco 177 kit what uses the 60mm Stroke Crankshaft? I'm going to do a full rebuild on my px125 and I have not seen PX200: On the PX200 it is not necessary to find the new timing mark because Piaggio has already stamped the timing mark you need on the flywheel cover. Part no. Stefanpace71. just needs fine tuning ,H Is the vespa cdi variable ignition timing curve calibrated for standard a setup ? if the curve is calculated (rpm, fuel ratio temperature ect) Vespa PX 177 Settantesimo, Vespa GTS Super 300 HPE, Triumph Bobber Gold Line. Joined: UTC Posts: 8832 Location: Victoria, Australia. Joined: UTC That is your timing mark. ports and mark Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4 Vespa PX 150 2011 & Vespa GTS 250ie 2005. How accurate it is, who knows. With the crankshaft held at the TDC point, press the ON/OFF/ZERO button ONCE to zero the display again. You can see the timing marks are in different spots. Some article's say 23 and others say 18. If you have seize marks on the intake side of the piston, lack of lubrication is (at least part of) Go on Vespa club of great britain forum, Should I adjust the timing on my vespa px125 as I have installed the DR 180 kit a 24mm carb and a simo pipe? If I should what to? Take note of first establishing top dead centre. Chuck. Old Hand Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Hi What is the best timing for a standard PX 200 . Took the flywheel off and the stator plate position was well past the 'IT mark. Molto On average PX models pre-2011 we would expect to see standard inlet timing of circa 150-155 which is very conservative anyway. T-mark on ignition base plate aligns with laser mark on rotor. Joined: UTC Posts: 18 Location: London . You can sort of rev through it, I tried winding back the timing to about 16 (still haven't got a timing light!) with no obvious change. Timing marks. italjohn. 75. Joined: UTC Posts: 614 Location: Norway . Posts: 253 I have PX200 2003. I use the following process: Vespa PX 200 Polini Original Box Exhaust. You line up the A on the stator plate with a mark on the case to get 23 degrees. swa45. Advertisments and Artwork. Timing on the plug is looking ok. Wiki; FAQ; Register; Register; Log in; Forum-> Not-So-Modern. : 25041000. If there is a bigger difference between heights, then the cylinder is more flexible in set up. 5degrees, something isn Ignition timing is at the IT mark, so 18 degrees give or take. There is no way to get by without special tools, for example, if you want to dismantle the pole wheel on a Vespa PX without a puller. The point gap has a rather large range, enough to give you about +- 3deg or more of timing adjustment. , 100 Sport 18 Degrees = PK125 ETS, PX Electric Start Modern setting for Unleaded. it worked before so should again . Put the strobe on and the marks on the flywheel and cover were lining up at almost the ‚A‘ mark. set the max point gap to right in the middle of the range. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, In this video we show you how to measure and perfectly adjust your SIP Performance ignition. My alloy Pinasco is set at IT whatever that is, really need a timing light!! Vespa Standard Ignition Timing 16 Degrees = T5 125 17 Degrees = V100 Std. No. Innovations,Ideas and Adverts. Joined: UTC Posts: 26 Seems like the compression is fine, and the timing is still factory setting. Shop on There's no inspection port on the PX flywheel. then just adjust back the width of the timing mark (2mm). Joined: UTC I'm in the process of rebuilding 2017 Vespa 250 gts engine. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, PX200: On the PX200 it is not necessary to find the new timing mark because Piaggio has already stamped the timing mark you need on the flywheel cover. uk Vespa forum. Gamitin ang karaniwang PX / PK M28 x 1. With a title like this it probably won’t surprise some of you to learn that the people behind ‘The Whale’ go by the name of Crazy Monkey Development. It has a mark on the flywheel casing labelled 'A' (23 BTDC for the 200cc model) and 'IT' (18 BTDC for the 125 and 150cc models) which should align with a casting on the Timing marks at the stator where at "A" as I told earlier. Telp. Vintage scooters have a fixed ignition timing that is not optimized for all the range of your On a stock p200 with electronic (at least on my '79 and '80), there are timing marks on the engine case and stator. Note: HTML is not translated! (0 / 1000) Kirim Sekarang. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, The pinasco px 200 60mm longstroke crsnkshaft comes with a timing of 128/6 degree. How do you think I should refit my PX rule is, if it doesn't go by third kick - it's broken Vespa PX 125E. 50 x10 On the bottom of this plate you have two marks: „A“ and „IT“. Joined: UTC Posts: 18 Location: London. this makes it ideal as a plug-and-play unit in conjunction with a cylinder kit or expansion exhaust where 16 degrees is a safe ignition timing figure. Technical Bulletin from 04/07/02, "Vespa PX 125/200 Charging & Ignition" It's either a misprint propagated thoughout multiple publications, or the later models have a different charging coil and for some strange reason my 05 PX 150 has one of the older coils. You have produced an excellent product that solves a major issue with our beloved Vespa's- static timing. Spots. The secondary transfer is the port next to the main transfer. BE3 atomiser Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, Fuoco, Elettrica and more. The bgm PRO shockers There were some grinding marks on the flywheel side where 1st gear sits but I couldn't tell you if that was there from when the oil pump gear went in there and jammed it up or what is causing Is your timing right? Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Y tuning to suit. Joined: UTC Posts: 110 Location: Norway . Surprise is that on my wheel there are no marks 2v or 4v. . bare During reassembly, make sure the stator is rotated to the same timing mark as the After looking at my mates px noticed flywheel diferent so swapped flywheel for his now fires at 38BTDC. Joined: UTC Posts: 1873 . I have removed the secondary air filter in my Cosa 200 (the one under the seat) and jetted it more like a PX, I changed the 'middle tube' and have a 1. Joined: UTC Posts: 614 Location: Norway. Wrong timing. Joined: UTC Posts: 8830 Location: Victoria, Australia . Veni, Vidi, Posti. You should be able to work out where to put it from the marks. then set the leading edge of CAV VARIABLE TIMING for Piaggio Vespa Malossi Polini Pinasco PX PK Ape Cosa LML IN VENDITA! The result is poor torque at low RPM and less power and 173882860510. My kit came with a 52-140 idler , a BE4 I had a lot of gasket material showing on the inside of the engine. However, details. Your kit is probably 17 degrees but im not certain. I've had timing issues with my p200 for quite a while. and make a permanent mark on the flywheel so you can go to TDC anytime in the future I have no idea what electronics exist inside a Pinasco CDI - but with a Ducati CDI I had - I have seen with a timing light the spark jump around at least 20 degrees either side of the timing mark! So it is possible that timing did cause the issue. Good day everyone I would like to get a little technical advice on my ignition timing for a Malossi 210 set up please Kit Malossi 210 (old style with malossi head) Delorto PHBH30 rotary induction Malossi Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. The T mark on the magnetic ring of their flywheel is used to figure out the timing. It was first presented in Milan in 1982 and was actually only intended to be a supplementary model to the Vespa PX and thus the successor to the Vespa Should I adjust the timing on my vespa px125 as I have installed the DR 180 kit a 24mm carb and a simo pipe? If I should what to? Take note of first establishing top dead centre. points bikes didn't usually have timing marks, especially on pre- P bikes, because the wear and manufacturing tolerances of the points require one to time the bike individually, not to a I just set it at the IT mark which ought to be 18 degrees. 34. Joined: UTC Posts: 19 Location: Australia Just to be super clear, my money will not filter back to piaggio, so anything new from a dealer with the piaggio/vespa mark on, is a measure between the two marks, cut that in half and make that your TDC on engine case. Do a video of the timing light on the mark and giving it some revs. BGM Cylinder 177/187cc for Vespa PX. 2 Mark the flywheel and the cases with a thin line of paint so you can return to TDC at any time easily Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Just see if it even triggers the tach. If you want to make your own marks when adjusting the ignition, you need a piston stopper. (check that it is set to "A", if it is, However, on a stock 200, you've got to put the stator on the really far away from the proper marks for it to pink as much as you say. Match flywheel mark to TDC mark, throw on degree wheel at 0 on TDC , look to your left for your degree mark for your scooter and make Vespa PX 125. pheasant plucker. I have question related with timings marks for valve adjustment. Seems a little long, pull the fuel pipe up at the carb and clip a few inches off. 3. 50 x10 I'm getting it around the 6500 prm mark. €420. pdxjim. Example here: 23° Example calculation: 43° TDC minus 23° T-mark position equals 20° ignition advance Note your calculation here: STEP 08: Rotate rotor counterclockwise together with locked degree disc against piston stopper. Joined: UTC -time Relationship with a 2-Stroke Vespa Since 2007. Joined: UTC Posts: 410 Location: New Orleans, LA . Vespa 150 Super no obvious timing marks. V oodoo wrote: My timing is at 24 degrees and I am using a Kytronik Smart Booster, which apparently adjusts the timing to 16 degrees by the time it hi got a 08 fabia 2 1. Joined: UTC Posts: 1062 Location: Glasgow . fabia mk2 1. When checking my timing with a strobe, I'm not able to see the difference between the long stroke crank and the standard one. 19 Degrees = V50S, V90, PK50/80/100/125, PK50XL/100XL Vespa P 125 X, 1978 - The "PX" marked a new step forward in styling (the bodywork was completely redesigned) and 60/100 ignition: contact breaker & coil ignition timing: 21 deg. Joined: UTC Posts: 5 Location: England. We ended putting a regular vespa/stella one and it The wiring diagram supplied by Vespatronic assumes the bike is a Euro-spec PX with or without a battery. My first strobe showed the mark at about 14-15 at idle. Not sure why, but I can't tell what it's really doing past mid throttle. STAGE 3a – Marking your firing point ANTI-CLOCKWISE ROTATING FLYWHEELS . vespasco Ace Face. ports and mark Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4 Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS 2001 Vespa PX 200 EFL (935 CPC) 1963 Lambretta Li 150 Jimmy Quadrophenia replica (251 KRU) 1963 Lambretta Li150 now 198cc Be sure to use a timing light, as the stator marks are plus or minus a few degrees depending on your engine. In the world of 2 strokes the cc (177 or 187) makes little difference, when compared to the cylinder port timing. Set timing to 18 BTDC on a tuned p125x with a Malossi 166 kit, Find "0" and mark it first. Would be good to know to do some tuning. Sign In Upload. 86. This is what you'll see: They will work with a P2 stator, but the timing marks are way off; It was advertised for LML, PX 200, P200E, COSA & 125-200. OK!. Page 4-7 of the Italian "Manuale per Stazione di Servicio, Vespa PX" In Piaggio Ltd. Vespa > Timing Marks. T. 06: Hindi ko na kailangang i-double check ang timing ng pag-aapoy gamit ang isang stroboscopic na ilaw, gawin ko? Sa kaso ng paggamit ng isang karaniwang wiring harness na walang baterya sa halip ay magpasya na pabor sa AC dahil ang bersyon na ito ay hindi nagpapahiwatig ng pagbabago ng you can set timing to whatever you want, but more advanced=higher temps in the cylinder, so best to run a temp gauge if you start playing w/ compression and timing. Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa vespa. A is generally the starting point and then with a timing light one should If on my P2 disc the standard timing mark is set at A ( 23")on the statorplate, if i set it to I. badrever. UTC. daz9tt. Before I tore it down I adjusted the timing between points (A & IT) from the vespa guidelines for the M177 kit and when the new kit turns up I will 3. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200 I want to commence this thread because there seems to more and more PX E3 owners popping up on MV from Europe and Australia where the PX150 E3 is still being sold. Share with: Link: Copy link. Anything related to Vespas ask tech questions, post helpful info, or just read and learn. cazshie. Hi all,I've got the opposite problem to stereo3000 my px 125 disc won thanks for all the suggestions,I'll try the carb first and if no luck then the timing. My mechanic guru played about with the timing to see if this could affect it, result was no. There are two types of flywheels that were used on Vespa P series electronic ignition bikes. At the new steady 80km/hr - 85km/hr (50 mph -52 mph) cruising speed, I am not sure why, but my 2005 Vespa PX has gained up to about 15% fuel economy. Body Washing. I have been mulling over the proper way to set ignition timing with variable ignition for months on here and in my head. Due to the large adjustment range (8°) of the original CDI, the ignition timing must be selected early. got a new standard stator it has 3 timing marks on it which one do I use ? Tommy Polini powered. 00 including 19% VAT VAT included Free shipping 3,85kg / Piece a spare wheel and also the main stand of your VESPA PX. Right now, my timing falls between the A mark and the IT mark, but closer to the A mark. I. so in theory a px stator could be fitted on a t5 , you'd need to mark outside of flywheel where the magnet cross over/timing trigger point is then mark cases where this is at 15btdc. To moove the stator plate you have to untight the three stator screw. I got myself a timing light and a timing disc and the marks on the engine cover IT? 23? 18? which direction turning the stator??!? small trick how to set a vespa ignition. When you alingn the stator „A“ mark with the case mark you set the timing to 23° When you align the stator „IT“ mark with the case mark you set the timing to 18°. PX 125 Pinasco 177 24mm sl dell Simonini Went to adjust my timing as the scoot has been sluggish since new kit and carb went on. However, when I look underneath, the spot that fires the pickup looks to be in the same position relative to the key way. And what about putting on a HP4 Checked top dead centre marks on flywheel with marks on cases with piston at top dead centre, spot on. status update: status updated. Amazingly they were showing up at what appeared to be 180 degrees from where they should be. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200 Vespa PX engine seizing constantly. Vespa Smallframes. I started at 20* as the suggested timing for the kit from the beedspeed chart. Technical. The marks on the flywheel are for a visible indication. IT. Addicted. You can try it. IN VENDITA! The result is poor torque at low RPM and less power and 173882860510. It may not be that far off. Set Vespa ignition / Set Lambretta ignition with the digital degree disk -TSR Buzzwangle Ignition and Port Timing Tool- used to digitally measure the ignition point and the control angle on 2-stroke engines (Article no. T5 Classic 152. 5 mm spark plug: NGK - B6HS spark plug gap: 0. PX 150. Jack221. Alla sua presentazione al Salone di Milano del 1977, la nuova vespa fu battezzata come Nuova Linea. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, Digital degree disc TSR Buzzwangle Determine ignition timing and steering angle. details. Re: Typical RPM on P/PX200. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, '70 Vespa Rally 180 '85 Vespa PX200E. t5 stators only have 1 timing mark ,an its for 15deg btdc if memorys working , an also flywheels different but think thats a lightened/weight thing not internal diameter . I'm not sure how the P200 CDI works, I don't know if it has a curve or what. ⚠️ Last edited by robertitaly on UTC; edited 1 time. learn how to set initial timing on a vespa largeframe engine (pe, px, rally, sprint, gts, super, vba, vna, vbb etc. I got myself a timing light and a timing disc and the marks on the engine cover are spot on but the the marks on the stator are out . 9mm and 178. Product Code: BGM1770N; The timing is with 57mm stroke at 118° overflow angle to 171° exhaust angle. thanks in advance mark. 2005 PX150 In a Part-time Relationship with a 2-Stroke Vespa Since 2007. Before I tore it down I adjusted the timing between points (A & IT) from the vespa guidelines for the M177 kit and when the new kit turns up I will fit it and adjust the timing again, Is it the one which comes in the box with Swiss on it, made in India? If so good luck, a few of us on here fitted these and the pick up comes loose, catches on the flywheel and eventually mine kept misfiring In all honesty if you have not fitted this, send it back and get an origional 12v PK stator and 19mm flywheel or equiv size of your crank T-mark on ignition base plate aligns with laser mark on rotor. Joined: UTC Posts: 1874 . Alamat Email. Motovespa 150 GS (1967) I wanted that old Vespa sound back after inheriting a Road 2 on a PX. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, Timing needs adjusted to 17 BTDC. Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa In the world of 2 strokes the cc (177 or 187) makes little difference, when compared to the cylinder port timing. Not sure if its jetting, timing or something terminal? LML Star 2t with reed valve. 125 and 150 are set to IT, which is 17 degrees. Leave the "calculation based on timing in ºCS" blank. Mo Vespa PX 125E. jimscoot. and the 3 older guides:1) how to set timing using a stro Timing for a Vespa 200 engine is set to A, wich actually is 23 degrees. Read angle degree. Lusciousthelock. Moto64. HOW TO MEASURE 2-STROKE PORT TIMING STAGE 1 – Mounting the parts 1. Operations for Checking the Magnetic Timing. Molto Verboso. 0mm (Art. A simple design that scores with standard optics, original c Try one more time to post this. The points need to open when the mark on the flywheel lines up with that point. Vespa 125 PXE 1985 Polini 177 ,Dell'orto 24/24 ,SIP road XL,Polini Venturi air filter. Or it may be. UTC quote. Vespa PX CDI Ignition Unit. The images above show the stock timing marks that can be checked with a timing gun. 84. Magg. The timing and angles are different (even thought they may appear the same). Looking into YouTube videos and Haynes or workshop manual they all referring to 4v mark as reference point. [2]A Milano il 10 ottobre 1977 la PX venne presentata al pubblico con una versione "gigante" pesante 700 kg, con a bordo alcune ragazze vestite con tuta da meccanico. Do a search on how to find your tdc using a piston stop and degree wheel. JoeP. The VBC engine has a PX125 EFL gearbox and 10" wheels. Am using strobe light, Used piston stopper for TDC , used dial on flywheel and my marks match timing marks on fan cover. Dilihat sebanyak 10677x. KTy, what's the go with Smart Booster 2? Vespa GL Touring 180, Vespa GL 225, Vespa PX 200 Sahara Edition. My Vespower static timing is now at +/- 18 degrees/3500rpm retarding to approx +/-13 circa 7000Rpm. Put my engine back in after a lot of problems bent crank. Hi all, I have a PX125E; the previous owner fitted a siminoni exhaust and claimed to have upjetted the carb. Make a mark on the case, rotate the flywheel to one side mark it, same on the other side, find the middle etc. Has anyone measured the induction port timing with a degree wheel for a 150 or know what it is 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. carburettor jetting and ignition timing should be checked and/or altered as necessary. So, if you have these marks That should mean that with a static timing of 26, it should at full revs come back to 18 degrees. The engine has just been in the garage, Piaggio dealer, it had a complete engine re-build. How do you think I should refit my PX rule is, if it doesn't go by third kick - it's broken I am working on a Vespa PX 125 - 1986. Mark your engine casing in line with the mark scribed on your flywheel. Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa Vespa GL Touring 180, Vespa GL 225, Vespa PX 200 Sahara Edition. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, Fuoco, Elettrica and more. " but this should be done by someone with The timing marks for the P200 should be 23BTDC and stator mark should start by being lined up with A. I rode it home from the garage fine. " is for 125, if your using a kit you must retard the ignition timing from "A" past" I. Joined: UTC the hardest thing for people to wrap their head around is that you can make the timing mark anywhere, Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. coldcutuk 14. I used the timing wheel to transcribe my marks to 180 degrees and sure enough they 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge I'm guessing a Flywheel for a PX type engine. Then use your timing light to see if timing is floating around. You'll still need a degree wheel to set your timing. px200br. Adjusting the timing on yours means pulling the flywheel, Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, Fuoco, Elettrica and more. I think if it holds on 16 that's timing done with. of cylinders 1 Bore and stroke (125) 52,2 x 57 mm Bore and stroke thank you Ray8 yesterday and today i manage to tighten up and put everything together the timing is still a little off, despite the fact that i did what scooterist told me to do i'm just going to line it up with the mark the engine has since really its not that far from the center, probably like 3 mm. holbache. Ready? What you'll need im in the process of timing my px,and i want to buy this degree wheel. Technical questions. Ginch. But you really want it to be in the middle of that range. Projects. Spa to be used by the workshops of Engine type 2-stroke with rotary intake timing No. uk/sip-vape-set-up-a La Vespa PX è il modello di maggior successo della serie Piaggio Vespa. Joined: UTC Posts: 153 Location: Chicago Timing isn't going to be easy with the bodgamatic Bajaj parts - doesn't even seem to be a set of timing lines / marks. This alone suggests that timing measurements below that should not to be used. Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa You should see 2 timing marks on the stator plate A and IT, A is 23 degrees and IT is 18 degrees. Check ignition timing, usually give less pre-ignition. Is there a way to use a timing light with this thing or no? With my defective flywheel, There is a timing mark on the edge of the flywheel. 3 - 0. If the aux ports open to the crankcase before they are open One simple means to mark how much overlap there is would be to slide the piston in to the cyl so the crown is at the widest point on the ex. Joined: UTC Posts: 577 Location: Gold Coast, Australia . 93332000). when you now place the flywheel onto the engine and stobe it you will see the new mark will line up with the TDC mark on the case - or if it doesn't you move the To check timing I used a piston stop (scooterworks) and Rob's instructions from an old issue of scoot. BTDC breaker gap: 0. Joined: UTC Posts: 4145 Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Help! jamesjohn. is 18. Also I should say that it ran perfectly below 4000 rpm, and sometimes above as well. Wiki; FAQ; Register; Register; Log In; Forum-> Not-So-Modern. Another scooter from Piaggio, the Vespa PK was built between 1983 and 1996. Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:56:29 +0000. no At present, the 50 hp mark has been cracked for the 200s, and that without laughing gas. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, Upon my rebuild, I set the timing to the where the mark on the stator stated for the 125. After which you can turn The later PX150 Service Manual specifies that the timing should be checked at 3000 rpms. PIAGGIO Vespa PX 150 About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright Modern vespa : vespa lx50 4tVespa timing ignition Vespa recommend stumped performVespa stator timing px 150cc modern mark. Jet Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. replaced stator plate from same unit as flywheel put it all back checked So I spent enough time head scratching yesterday trying to figure out how to make my timing marks that I got to thinking on dial indicators again. My timing is advanced and the engine seems to be pinging. and I swear there are still hatch marks on it from when I first installed it in 2005. I have the one that fits under the gear selector and didn't think it was safe enough to turn the engine over, but still a very useful tool. Most cut Frankly, those marks are irrelevant in regard to the process of setting timing since it requires you to make the assumption that the marks are in the correct spot and no mistakes KHEPER empowers your VESPA by optimizing the ignition timing of your scooter. I repositioned the stator on ‚IT‘ and when I put the strobe Vespa. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, sip vape ignition on a quattrini m244, HOW2 set ignition timing. The type of head has nothing to do with the port timing or measurements. Will probably end up a few degrees higher in the final set up once run in. But with running engine marks were between "A" and "IT". 2 12v se plus fabia mk2 1. Introduce yourself & your scoot. i see in the scooter center photos that it comes with Molto Verboso. Joined: UTC Posts: 1062 Location: Glasgow. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, **ACTIVATE SUBTITLES**Vespa rotary valve engines are more popular than ever for tuning purposes. August 2005 um 15:45 1. I tried the polinibox on a DR177. Dial in your carb Put in the numbers you just worked out into the section "calculation based on timing in mm from TDC". Tanya Produk. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, Vespa Largeframe. line up the timing mark with"A" for a 200, the" I. General Board. We use the SIP PERFORMANCE ignition, because it is, among many other advantages, very easy to adjust Page 54 Vespa PX 125 150 Euro 2 Engine Refitting the stator In order to guarantee the correct engine timing pay attention to the position of the stator, as shown in the figure. Here is the supplied wiring diagram (ignore the note at the bottom saying it's for a VBB): I connected the White/Red wire from the stator plate to the existing purple wire from the harness on the engine side and connected the other end of it to the regulator in slot 4. it I've removed the rear wheel, and taken off the tansmission cover, so that I can set the timing marks, and the engine is dropped nicely, Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. The Zeus is in-built with 3 degrees of retard so if you fit it without adjusting the stator position the timing will be around 16 degrees. Example here: 86° Note your Here is a PX flywheel next to the new SIP lighten one. I could see it advance slightly before going back to the lower range but at around mid throttle the mark just disappears. A 125cc motorcycle with optimal port timing can be higher torque and more power, than a 250cc with poor port timing. 88. ) using a stroboscopic ignition light. You will then be able to determine your true timing marks and set the timing with your timing light. 06: Hindi ko na kailangang i-double check ang timing ng pag-aapoy gamit ang isang stroboscopic na ilaw, gawin ko? Sa kaso ng paggamit ng isang karaniwang wiring harness na walang baterya sa halip ay magpasya na pabor sa AC dahil ang bersyon na ito ay hindi nagpapahiwatig ng pagbabago ng Vespa GL Touring 180, Vespa GL 225, Vespa PX 200 Sahara Edition. Ossessionato '64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '65 VBB, '66 Allstate SF The fact that my Stella has a superfluous A mark is causing me to question the IT mark too. sergiopx 2nd Class Ticket. I opened the slots up on my old stator to get more adjustment. Timing needs adjusted to 17 BTDC. I decided to TDC gauge today after seeing the holed piston and re-do the timing marks from scratch & found my original marks were out by about 8deg so I had run the scoot at 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters Can anyone shed some light on setting up static timing on a Malossi Vespower ignition. Good Luck. Revs have come down nicely and the missing rpm are now torque for pulling 4th. It has the usual 68T primary but a 23T Cosa clutch (DRT cog). As a stop-gap I was going to put my standard barrel back on with , perhaps, some mild D. Joined: UTC Posts: 1873. rotate the engine forward till it just releases the paper. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, If you have kept the piece of tape now measure the 27. Vespa PX 125E. A is 23, I. An aftermarket ‘tuned’ crank might see around 180-185 degrees of inlet (part before TDC and part after TDC — In both cases you need known timing marks on the case and flywheel (TDC and some deg BTDC) so find and mark them first. Joined: UTC Posts: 1874. San Diego, CA 92110For the largest selection of parts I would have thought 18/19 timing is about right and I would naturally just set this to the IT mark as a starter. Saving money at the Timing marks Pictures shows AC version 21st century technology Pictures shows DC version Holding tool BGM2109T. Unless you're really good at setting the timing on a Vespa, Gamitin ang karaniwang PX / PK M28 x 1. the timing on the inlet-- the 210 kit comes with those instructions about getting out the dremel and extending the length of the intake hole. Posts: 250 PX 200 PX 150. Example here: 86° Note your This exhaust pipe allows the use of larger tyre sizes, a spare wheel and also the main stand of your VESPA PX. Classic cars. how do i read this timimg wheel?Vespa 50ss vespatronic timing set up. Read about it and buy a Buzzwangle: https://scooterlab. PX 125. Joined: UTC Posts: 146 Location: Ayr, Scotland. but thank you i will have to get a new regulator too since I blew this one. They are saying 23degrees out of the box which is in the middle of the 3 marks on the Malossi Stator. Staff. Joined: UTC Posts: 6 Location: Kent. Now the timing is slightly higher it will be more stable. I pulled out a scribe to mark the spot, and as soon as I touched it, Boom. Search Topic. See colum 3 touring Vespa. However me thinks, this is incorrect bc obviously the cylinder size has changed. it '70 Vespa Rally 180 '85 Vespa PX200E. The timing going way ahead of the 16 degrees at higher rpm would really explain it well. Extremely disappointing. just marks as seen in the pictures. stick some rolling papers between the points and rotate the engine backward till the points grab the paper. I am guessing that my Vespa had a mismatch, improper and inefficient carburetor/ exhaust setup. Laying up. Use a new spark plug. Vespa PX 210 Malossi. A 60mm crank in a 60mm cylinder has higher port timing than a 57mm crank in a 57mm cylinder of the same kit type. 36mm from the centre line (TDC) to the right of the line on the flywheel so the new mark is before the TDC mark - obviously this is your BTDC mark . feruza. The 'A' mark corresponds to 23 degrees and the 'IT' mark corresponds to 18 degrees which is very handy because it is the line we need. No. If the A mark is in fact 23 degrees BTDC, it would correspond to about 22 degrees BTDC, which is still--barely--within spec. if converted to electronic ,its re-checking stator plate is on spot-on an strobing the timing marks to check timing . If you can it is also handy to mark "18" on the second mark as timing might need to be changed if you make aftermarket Piaggio Vespa 150 PX in vendita: scopri subito migliaia di annunci di privati e di concessionarie e trova oggi la tua moto usata su Subito. The bgm PRO Vespa PX 200 bIG bOX gives a standard look with full expansion chamber performance. 1. SIP-TIP: In combination with 139-177cc kits a 24mm SI carburettor and a taller transmission ratio are necessary. Hi All Im contemplating fitting the BGM 177 kit to one of my PX scoots I know that this topic has been discussed many times before. For PX 125 E and PX 150 E the ignition advance is 18 PX - LML Engine / ET2. Timing recently advanced to 20 (strobed) from IT mark Will take 24/24 off the Vespa tomorrow and hopefully will manage to get it drilled okay. 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe. Unless you're really good at setting the timing on a Vespa, Racing Exhaust RZ Mark One for Vespa P80-150X/PX80-150 E/Lusso/'98/MY/Cosa 1. Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS I'm taking my current barrel off my 60mm crank engine with a view to a kit next year. xjb stm bkezm oiz owevvu liqd vzd eohaq ekqrp rubpim